Tuesday, August 28, 2007

The Forgotten Hall of Famer

When I was a kid, I had a baseball book that became my Bible for the summer. I don't remember the name of it, but it had a dark blue cover and more individual information about each MLB player than I had ever seen before. It told me where they were from, their career stats, where they got their hits, how to get them out, even where they did their dry-cleaning. I devoured the thing from April to October.

I remember one page in particular that was highlighted in the top corner by the exclamation, "Hall of Famer." Not "Maybe" or "Potential" - just "Hall of Famer."

Today, that player trails the likes of Steve Garvey and Don Mattingly in Hall of Fame voting and seems destined to be left out of Cooperstown. The man?

Dale Murphy.

What was happened to Murph? When I was a kid, Murphy was the man. The Braves may have stunk - and man, did they stink - but Murphy was a superstar in the middle of the line-up, hitting home runs, winning Gold Gloves & MVPs and being the type of athlete that parents wanted their kids to admire.

My friends and I used to play Home Run Derby, and Murphy was always a popular pick. If you were #3, you got to do the pre-swing bat waggle down at your feet (just inviting that low-inside fastball that you would turn on into the Fulton County Stadium seats), then lift it high over your head with a slight cocking motion toward the over-matched pitcher. We all practiced his stance because we all wanted to be him - a Hall of Fame ballplayer.

So why isn't Murphy in the Hall? He isn't even close to being in the Hall. He isn't even in the conversation of being in the Hall. The list of Who's Out But Ought To Be In includes Goose Gossage, Andre Dawson, Jim Rice...but where is Murphy's name? Where is the outcry for #3?

First, let's make the case for Murphy:

*From 1981-1990 - led the majors in HRs and RBI
*1982 & 1983 MVP (the only 2-time MVP other than Roger Maris who isn't in the Hall)
*7 time All-Star
*5 Gold Gloves
*4 Silver Slugger awards
*398 career HRs
*Led league in HRs twice
*30/30 season in 1983

That resume doesn't get a sniff of the Hall?

Let's compare Murphy to Andre Dawson, who has the best chance of an offensive player of getting into Cooperstown in 2008. Dawson hit 438 HRs to Murphy's 398, but Murphy hit more than Dawson from 81-90 during both player's primes & Dawson played about 3 seasons longer than Murphy. Dawson also outhit Murphy (2774 to 2111), but Murphy's OBP of .346 is higher than Dawson's .323. Murphy won 2 MVPs; Dawson won only 1 (though he did win Rookie of the Year). Both hit in hitter-friendly parks (Wrigley for Dawson; the "Launching Pad" for Murphy). Both went to All-Star games on a consistent basis. Both won multiple Gold Gloves (Dawson had 8 to Murphy's 5). Both players also hit in the middle of lousy line-ups, so their numbers are hurt by years of seeing nothing to hit with no protection behind them.

Both are Hall of Famers.

What is shocking to me, even more so than Murphy not being in the Hall already, is how far away he is from ever getting there! Steve "He's not my Padre" Garvey? Alan Trammell? Dave Parker? Don Mattingly?

Murphy was always in a different class from these guys. They were nice players - Murphy was a superstar. He was the face of the Braves franchise. He was a pure slugger who could field his position. He was a Hall of Famer.

But he isn't.

Why not? The knocks on Murphy deserve consideration & debunking.

1) 398 HR - Murphy failed to reach the 400 milestone. Many voters and fans remember how he tried to hang on with the Colorado Rockies at the end to get it, despite having dramatically lost his bat speed. 400 does not sound like much today, when players are eclipsing 500, 600, 700..., but Murphy is 45th all-time and hit more dingers than Joe DiMaggio, Bobby Bonds, Johnny Bench, Orlando Cepeda, Gil Hodges and Ozzie Smith - all Hall of Famers (joking about the Wizard).

2) Post-season - Murphy never won a championship, never won a pennant and only went to the playoffs with the Braves once (1982). He wasn't around for the magical 1991 season or any of the thirteen subsequent ones when the Braves were a playoff staple. Murphy's Braves were awful - post-season hopes were usually dashed by the All-Star Break if not Spring Training. No starting pitching, no bullpen, and no offense around Murphy on those teams. Not only did this hurt his numbers, but it also kept him from gaining recognition the way an Ozzie Smith, Kirby Puckett or even Steve Garvey got it. Murphy's numbers were compiled in lots and lots of meaningless Braves losses.

3) .265 batting average - Murphy was not a .300 hitter. He struck out often and could be icy cold at the plate - sometimes for entire seasons. His average, like all his numbers, is hurt by having no help in the line-up throughout much of his career. Murphy had Bob Horner & Gerald Perry hitting in his line-up; Jim Rice had Boggs & Yaz, Dawson had Raines & Sandberg, etc. Murphy's .265 is also higher than many Cooperstown residents, including Reggie Jackson (.262), Ozzie Smith (.262), Gary Carter (.260), Bill Mazoroski (.260) and Harmon Killebrew (.256).

4) Career decline - Murphy's was dramatic. He was a dominating player from 1982-1987, but after those six seasons, his production fell substantially. His batting average dipped toward Mendoza line levels, his RBI production slipped and his Hall of Fame luster started to wear off. There is no denying this decline. It was hard for me as a kid to watch Murphy struggle to catch up to inside fastballs he once crushed. In his defense, those were the worst of the worst Braves teams. After years of being pitched around, Murphy started swinging at bad balls and, combined with his deteriorating bat speed, his production suffered. He was terrible for the Phillies and worse for the Rockies.

Knowing what we now know about steriods and baseball, Murphy's decline deserves some reconsideration. There is no doubt Murphy was a clean player - he is one of the squeaky-cleanest players who have ever played the sport. A devout Mormon, Murphy was strict in his on and off the field behaviors. The same cannot be said for many of his contemporaries. 1988 saw the beginning of Murphy's decline - Jose Canseco was the AL MVP that season. Though the steriod boom would not explode until the 1990s (it becomes difficult to find an MVP from the decade who doesn't raise at least a little suspicion), there is no doubt it had leaked into the game during Murphy's final years. What if Murphy took some of the juice that was prevalent among his offensive contemporaries as well as the pitchers who were suddenly blowing it by him? What if he put up 400+ HRs, raised his career average and played another 3-5 years? Is he in the Hall then?

2008 is the year for Dale Murphy's Hall of Fame credentials to be re-examined. There are no Ripkens or Gwynns on the ballot in 2008 (though Tim Raines ought to get more consideration than he will...), so this is the best opportunity for Murphy's career to get new consideration. In an era clouded by scandal and steriods, Murphy's numbers are without question or controversy. Let's save our breaths debating the merits of Rose, McGwire and Palmerio and finally put a true Hall of Famer into Cooperstown where he belongs.

18 comments:

Latimer TNAZ said...

I'm not a Braves fan, as you know, but you make a pretty good case. Listing people already in the hall that have shittier stats than Murphy doesn't sway me much, though. The fact that Reggie Jackson, who is completely overrated, has a lower average with his 560 hr's doesn't help--as well as Killebrew. The fact that Ozzie Smith has a lower avg with nine million gold gloves doesn't help. I can't claim to know much about Maz, although his homer to win the world series was recently voted on by the fans as the greatest hr ever--even over Bobby Thomson. I still think Murphy is a tweener and here is why. When I think of great players from the 80's Dale Murhphy's name doesn't come to mind--speaking as a non Braves fan. Dawson deserves it, Garvey no, Mattingly no. That's how I would vote, anyway. When I think of the 80's, I think of Brett, Gwynn, Ripken, Ozzie, Rickey, Winfield, Boggs, Schmidt, Carlton, Nolan, Molitor, Yount, Eck, with a little Clemens and Kirby toward the end. The 80's are a very underrated decade in baseball and even though he has some impressive stats from the 80's, you can't put him ahead of any of these guys, and you're lucky if the Hall votes 2 people in a year. I do agree that he deserves more consideration than he has gotten. Have you ever checked out Jim Rice's credentials?

Chris Carpenter said...

To clarify, I am in no way implying Mr. October or Killebrew or Ozzie don't belong in the Hall - only pointing out that his .265 batting average shouldn't disqualify him.

I have no problem with your list of 1980s stars (no Eric Davis?), but I will once again point out that Murphy had more HRs and RBI during the decade than all of them, including Schmidt (1st ballot Hall of Fame)& Winfield (1st ballot). The two things keeping him off your list are 1) no milestone moment like 3000 hits (Molitor, Winfield, etc.) or 500 HR (Schmidt) and 2) no post-season heroics. Everyone on your list either played in or won a World Series. Murphy? Never got on that stage. With teammates like Zane Smith, Pasquel Perez, Oddibe McDowell and Dion James, it certainly wasn't his fault.

As for Jim Rice, Raul or Bill Simmons can make that case. His numbers are strong, but he hit in the middle of Boggs, Yaz and Dwight Evans (underrated), so I think Murphy's career is more Cooperstownian than Rice's.

Maximum Jack said...

The question really is longevity versus dominance. Clearly guys like Murph and Rice were dominant players, but both suffer from late-career tailspins. Rice has the added negative of not being very good with the media; whereas, Murph never got to shine in the post-season spotlight. I think they'll both get in eventually-- Dawson too. How many more years is Murph eligible?

Maximum Jack said...

By the way, in case you missed the GBV reference, maximum jack = raul.

Latimer TNAZ said...

Ahhh, but the difference between your boy and the HOF's with a sub-par avg are monster milestones. Hall of Fame voting is almost completely about numbers and .265/398/1266 are not overly impressive when you are going up against the likes of Ripken, Gwynn, Brett, etc even if you are a choir boy. Keep in mind, I completely agree that he should get more consideration (certainly more than Garvey), but it's hard to argue with anyone who has gotten in over the last 10 years--except Ryno.

Latimer TNAZ said...

By the way..

Eric Davis (44 Magnum)

.269/282/934
2 silver sluggers
3 gold gloves
colon cancer

Unknown said...

I remember DM coming up ion AAA Richmond-catcher, used to regularly hit pitchers in back on bounce one off the mound attempting to throw out at second- they finally moved him to Left. not many LF in hall w/o super stats

Chris Carpenter said...

A great Murphy debate:

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2005/01/the_rise_and_fa_1.php

Three important points that I'll summarize and claim as my own:

1) Murphy should have retired earlier - if he had left when DiMaggio left, he'd be in the Hall. Better to burn out than to fade away.

2) Murphy gets punished for being great, then not so good while guys like Eddie Murray were good, never great, for a very long time.

3) Murphy became eligible during the HR explosion between 94-99, so his 398 looks weaker than it was.

Raul - to my understanding, Murphy's eligibility remains as long as he gets a certain number of votes. I don't know when the Vets get to vote on him, but they never elect anyone anyway (other than Mazeroski).

Dave - Sandberg, Gary Carter, Eddie Murray, Bruce Sutter, Don Sutton...even Dave Winfield. Look at his career to Murphy's and explain why he is a first ballot guy and Murphy isn't getting serious consideration. Is Cooperstown just about milestones?

Joseph - I think about the catcher from Major League II when I hear about Murphy's days behind the plate.

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shiek dobson said...

This is fun. Let us continue to name absolutely shit Braves players from the 80's. The list is so long!
tony brizzolara, donnie moore, jerry royster, rafael ramirez, biff poioroba, craig mcmurtry,
rufino linares, tommy boggs, ken oberkfell.(all starters at one point)
Murphy's help was...claudell washington, rick cerone, chris chambliss, bob horner, rick camp. (oh my god!)
The only other "good players" he had were...bedrosian, sutter, niekro, bedrosian, sutter, bedrosian.

Holy shit they were terrible. Carp, you know i HATE the Braves and LOVED these years. However, Dale Murphy was a solid ball player and deserves more credit for winning ballgames (by himself) than any non-pitcher in baseball. that is a the only stat that will get Murph into the hall. Unfortunate for him that isnt a stat.
My vote: Murphy over a few current members (sutter, sutton, and gary carter of those that were mentioned) but not over "the hawk". dont go there.

MLB players and coaches clearly know more about baseball than I. I will let these guys do the talking:

"Last year he (Dale Murphy) was our league's most valuable player and this year he may be the most improved player in the league. What does that make him?" - Mets Manager George Bamberger

"He's (Dale Murphy) scary. Do they have something above M.V.P.?" - Former Reds Player & Braves Manager Russ Nixon

"I can't imagine Joe DiMaggio was a better all-around player than Dale Murphy." - Nolan Ryan

"If you're a coach, you want him (Dale Murphy) as a player. If you're a father, you want him as a son. If you're a woman, you want him as a husband. If you're a kid, you want him as a father. What else can you say about the guy?" - Joe Torre

He's hall of fame in my book.

Latimer TNAZ said...

Well, for starters Dave Winfield has a higher avg, more hits, home runs, doubles, runs, and rbis than Murphy-- .283/465/1833(actually 15th on all time rbi list and over 3000 hits). Throw in 7 gold gloves and 6 silver slugger awards and I don't know how in the world Winfield got in. Are you crazy? I'll give you Carter and Ryno, but Murray? How could you explain leaving a 3000 hit/ 500 home run switch hitter out of the hall? And to echo Raul's point, I think that Cooperstown is about numbers and longevity which leads to milestones. This shit is fun--when are you writing the next one?

Chris Carpenter said...

Shiek - Love the Murphy quotes. Why didn't I think of that? I'll add Albert Hall, Brad Komminsk, Terry Harper, Tommy Gregg, Bruce Benedict, Andres Thomas...the list of bad Braves is so long. And I loved them! They were terrible, but I watched every night.

Latimer - Winfield belongs in the Hall, but my argument is that he is first ballot and Murphy isn't close. I don't get it. No MVPs for Winfield. 18 different teams during his career. I remember watching "Mr. May" and he was really good, but I never thought of him as the superstar that was Dale Murphy. That is my eyes talking - Bill James would not approve. Winfield's stats are clearly helped by the fact that he continued to be productive past 40, something Murphy could not do.

Eddie Murray - my eyes told me he was a nice player who was never the best player on his own team. He was Fred McGriff. Looking at his career again, I'm wrong on Murray. He wasn't spectacular, but he did have a great career. I retract my Murray complaint.

Maximum Jack said...

Chris, I'm pretty sure you're only eligible for the HoF five years after retirement, and then you have 15 years to get voted in. I'm on my way out the door, or I'd look it up.

Chris Carpenter said...

According to the always reliable & accurate Wikipedia, you remain eligible so long as you get 5% of the Writer's vote. The Vets can vote you in after 20 years of retirement.

Maximum Jack said...

I'm not sure Wiki can be trusted. I think the 5% rule is only to stay on the ballot, but you still only get 15 years. Here's an article from earlier this year when Jim Rice failed to gain entry yet again: http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070109&content_id=1775510&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos

One paragraph in particular says he's just about out of chances:

"Should Rice fail to gain entry next year, 2009 would be his last chance to make it the old-fashioned way. Candidates are allowed to be on the BBWAA ballot for a maximum of 15 years. However, Rice would still have a chance to be selected via the Veteran's Committee should he go 0-for-15 in the BBWAA vote."

Maximum Jack said...

Upon closer review, I guess it's the same thing. I just don't count those voted in by the veteran's committee as real Hall of Famers.

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John said...

The comparison with Dawson isn't as clear-cut as you make it. Dawson was actually past his prime by the time he hit Wrigley Field in 1987, with bad knees that had cost him his speed. Like Murphy, he took advantage of the "rabbit ball" that year to post a career-high in homers. But before '87, he played in Montreal's Olympic Stadium, one of the best pitchers' parks in baseball. To give you an idea, in 1983, his best Expos season, he hit .272-10-42 (.777 OPS) at home, but .322-22-71 (.966 OPS) on the road. He had a huge home-park disadvantage almost every season. Dawson's years with the Cubs helped him get some of that back, but no way does Dale Murphy, who spent his entire career in great hitters' parks and never helped anyone after the age of 31, compare to him.